Does it really? REAAAALLLY???
http://listverse.com/2008/03/14/top-...n-experiments/
(imo, 2nd and 1st ones are of equal rank)
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"The ends justify the means"
Does it really? REAAAALLLY???
http://listverse.com/2008/03/14/top-...n-experiments/
(imo, 2nd and 1st ones are of equal rank)
Spoiler for Sorry for being a downer:
That's one cool list. Makes me want to watch Martyrs again.
And read Cody Mcfadyen. And visit some sites.
Sorry, but I couldn't undersand the meaning of this thread. What do you want us to talk about?
I definitely agree.Originally Posted by BanHammor
Last edited by Shadowtime23; February 6th, 2012 at 06:32 PM.
Bastardly things are bastardly, though Nazi experiments are a lot less chilling than the Soviet, Japanese and North Korean ones as described.
It just sounds so unreal but yet it happen to those poor people. Just thinking about it makes me feel sick! ):
Can't we just get along
The prison tests run by Zimbardo were originally designed to study something completely different, which is the interesting thing. What the students did to the others is what caused the study to be finished prematurely. It was an unforeseen and unintended consequence.
DQ's medical advisor.
"What is food to one is to others bitter poison" - Titus Lucretius Carus
Unit 721 > Nazi Experiments. That list is flawed. The end is meaningless without the means.
"To tell us that every species of thing is endowed with an occult specific quality by which it acts and produces manifest effects, is to tell us nothing; but to derive two or three general principles of motion from phenomena, and afterwards to tell us how the properties and actions of all corporeal things follow from those manifest principles, would be a very great step." -Issac Newton, Optics"You are what you do not do." - Relax.
The "Stanford Prison Experiment" was not evil, it was just a example of some people being really, really stupid and allowing themselves to get involved with the test causing them to fall into the side effect as well (They didn't even notice anything was wrong till a outside psychologist pointed it out, because of how drawn in they were). The test itself might have even been slightly more salvageable if not for the prison break attempt caused by that idiot who assumed he had joined some drug ring in order to root them out or something. The test itself was sound other then the fact Philip Zimbardo and the rest of his crew decided to actually be part of the experiment rather then just observe like the originally claimed they were going to.
It was a event of stupidity not evil.
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Burn all the means.
These people were regular, sound and sane people, not stupid. That experiment shows what isolation from the rest of society does to people and it has absolutely nothing to do with stupidity.
"Never allow yourself to become part of the experiment", its so easy to realize that that most of the time teachers never bother to mention it, after that experiment, it was used as a example of why you should avoid it if you ever become a psychology major. It was a example of stupidity as well as horrible planning. If you want to see how it might have went if you looked if they had actually planned properly. Look up the BBC prison study (They actually did routine check ups on the subjects, unlike the "Stanford Prison Experiment") , while yes it was made to work as a tv show (meaning we can never be sure of possible manipulation to make it more exciting for viewers.), it fit more in line with a proper study. As well as ended when it would have gone out of control, rather then drag on because all the people watching were pulled into the act unable to realize how bad things were getting.
(You would have to argue with ethics departments for years for any place to let someone test this again.)
Last edited by Zolen; February 7th, 2012 at 09:02 AM.
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No, the experiment was supposed to show people changing their behaviour based on context and environment, and how morals are affected by this.
The only person being stupid is Zimbardo, the rest of the experiment is actually a pretty good display of authority and internalization, even if that wasn't the original intention. It demonstrates some of the same effects of the Milgram experiment, were people are perfectly willing to cross their own moral values and change their behaviour when acting under authority of someone else.
To me that just lends credence to the idea that you are capable of doing absolutely anything you wish; so that in essence, what you choose not to do is what truly paints your character.
"To tell us that every species of thing is endowed with an occult specific quality by which it acts and produces manifest effects, is to tell us nothing; but to derive two or three general principles of motion from phenomena, and afterwards to tell us how the properties and actions of all corporeal things follow from those manifest principles, would be a very great step." -Issac Newton, Optics"You are what you do not do." - Relax.
True, but there are less damaging ways to study this. I probibly could get similar proof from a Longitudinal study of military staff, or re-evaluating the Milgram experiment to possibly pull out extra data.
That actually sounds like a happy way to look at it.
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I'm so optimistic that I'm friends with Victory.
"To tell us that every species of thing is endowed with an occult specific quality by which it acts and produces manifest effects, is to tell us nothing; but to derive two or three general principles of motion from phenomena, and afterwards to tell us how the properties and actions of all corporeal things follow from those manifest principles, would be a very great step." -Issac Newton, Optics"You are what you do not do." - Relax.
How come no one's shocked at the fact the 'scientists' behind Unit 731, Tuskegee syphilis study or the Aversion Project got away without spending time in jail?
I was, still am, but it's something I've known, and I'm not surprised hearing the same thing again.
Of course, there is the whole thing that you are what you are in the dark, when no one else is around.
DQ's medical advisor.
"What is food to one is to others bitter poison" - Titus Lucretius Carus
Humans do evil things all the time, why does this surprise you?
Last edited by Zolen; February 10th, 2012 at 08:32 PM.
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That's not what I meant. I mean how people can do evil things and get away with it, even when in captivity. The head scientist of the Aversion Project was rehired to be professor at a university after his human experimentation. No one seem to complain about the fact he forced sex changes on assumed-to-be homosexual soldiers.
There are still idiots who think homosexuals are a crime against nature, and some assume its a choice they made as if they are evil and choosing to do evil or some non-sense. Not to long ago, it was common police practice to beat a gay men to death, cops still get away with it a lot. The Aversion Project was within this time. Unit 731, The Tuskegee Syphilis Study and so on, government funded, and in the US there is a popular string of thought that might be good to pick up on. "Don't trust the government."
Last edited by Zolen; February 11th, 2012 at 05:02 PM.
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Because a great bulk of our medical knowledge comes from these scientists who used their research data as bargaining chips to literally buy their freedom. What's shocking is not that they got away with them, but that the United States paid for their information.
"To tell us that every species of thing is endowed with an occult specific quality by which it acts and produces manifest effects, is to tell us nothing; but to derive two or three general principles of motion from phenomena, and afterwards to tell us how the properties and actions of all corporeal things follow from those manifest principles, would be a very great step." -Issac Newton, Optics"You are what you do not do." - Relax.
Because they did it FOR SCIENCE!
Naw, it's more of what DC said.
DQ's medical advisor.
"What is food to one is to others bitter poison" - Titus Lucretius Carus
So as long as one gets the punishment they deserve, it's okay to torture others?
No, man. Torturing is not cool. Paying for that info wasn't cool either.
We learned from Zimbardo's experiment that normal people, just like you and I, can become the worst of torturers given the right situation. Of course it's bad, and it's not what he was expecting with the experiment. But it happens.
DQ's medical advisor.
"What is food to one is to others bitter poison" - Titus Lucretius Carus
The only reason their information and research is worth money is because volunteering and donating yourself to scientific endeavor's is considered "unethical" and "immoral". It's also why the vast scientific community also has to use animals as test subjects, because for some reason it's ok to experiment on animals without consent but bad to experiment on humans with consent.
"To tell us that every species of thing is endowed with an occult specific quality by which it acts and produces manifest effects, is to tell us nothing; but to derive two or three general principles of motion from phenomena, and afterwards to tell us how the properties and actions of all corporeal things follow from those manifest principles, would be a very great step." -Issac Newton, Optics"You are what you do not do." - Relax.
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