Now this is something to be rather excited about!
The Avengers movie is actually coming within our lifetimes, directed by Joss Whedon. Yes, that one.
Also, Andrew, thanks for making me visit IMDB.
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The Avengers.
Now this is something to be rather excited about!
The Avengers movie is actually coming within our lifetimes, directed by Joss Whedon. Yes, that one.
Also, Andrew, thanks for making me visit IMDB.
The Justice League is superior to the Avengers in almost every respect. I am excited for this movie but I am secretly wishing DC had gotten theirs out first. ;_;
Is this going to be the first superhero team live action blockbuster ever? I cannot recall any others.
Originally Posted by C. S. Lewis
Wasn't The Watchmen one of them?
Watchmen's Minutemen are more like, the gaping hole where a superhero team used to be, rather than an actual superhero team. They hardly ever actually work together in a preplanned, coordinated manner, and it's never in groups of more than two.
I just remembered that they already did two Fantastic Four movies though. God, those were painful.
I didn't watch the movie, so I didn't know. But from what I know, they aren't even typical superheroes.
Seen the first one. Never had enough courage to watch the second one.
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
Watched fantastic four 1 & 2, nothing special.
What I've seen in the video the only villain is Loki (thought that there will be more), Justice League is way unrealistic than Avengers. All in all superhero movies are starting to annoy me (I'll start to read comics again)
The Avengers are not even a smidgen more realistic than the Justice League. The word "realistic" has no business applying itself to a darned thing in either the DC or Marvel universes.
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Man I cannot wait for the Avengers to come out!
haha. I could make a joke about The Avengers the British Film thing but then that would be insulting.
I am filled with disgust, this film is a bust!
Thank you. Honestly I think when it comes down to people being super powered or running around as caped vigilantes we can kind of rule out realism.
Eh I'm excited for Avengers but since I don't really read Marvel enough to know much about these characters (in fact the only Marvel comics I own are Spider-man or X-men related). However all the Marvel films lately have been solid and I always enjoy a good superhero flick so I can't wait. However I would prefer a Justice League movie if I was being honest. That said there is a Superman movie coming up so maybe we will eventually get a Justice League movie, I hope.
"I feel more like a needle always pulling on the thread, always making the same point again and wondering if you heard what I just said."
I think the stories of Avenger characters are more realistic (how they got those superpowers) than DC. Not like superman, he felt down from the sky and he is the strongest man on the Earth, what I meant is that in Avengers stories are way better in DC.
But the situation with Superman is that he's not actually a typical super hero from what I know. He didn't get his powers through some silly, 'unrealistic' incident on Earth, in fact he's not even human. He came from another planet all together and his race had those powers to begin with. Again that's all knowledge from someone who's never read the comics and is only going off what he's heard of the franchise, and from what I vaguely remember from a Nostalgia Critic episode on the animated series. And while it's not exactly realistic reason for a super heroes existence, when you compare it to say, Spider Man who was bit by a radioactive spider and got his powers from there, it seems a bit more realistic than the other example. In the end I think each side has its own share of silly heroes to be fair but DC I have a bit more respect for because I get the impression that their characters tend to be more grounded in reality, only from looking at the characters from the Batman franchise. But I do enjoy Marvel more, mostly because it's the universe I've had more exposure to.
That's the point what I'm saying, it's very unrealistic how they got their superpowers but I don't hate them. I've enjoyed watching their cartoons and reading the comics. But to me Avengers are realistic than Justice League.
Superman and the Kryptonian race by extension only have powers when on Earth because they are near Earth's sun which is actually the source of his powers. The radiation from Earth's sun which he wasn't exposed on on Krypton, gives him all his powers. So actually you're not quite right, close.
To call him not a typical superhero is ridiculous since he was one of the earliest superheroes as far as I'm aware, well in comic books anyway. Not to mention he is an archetypal hero. So that just sort of shows how little you know about comic books on the whole.
Also I think both are really equally ridiculous, I think that's kind of the point. I don't read superhero comics for realism. I read them for science fiction, fantasy, superheros fighting it out, the use of themes and ideas within the writing.
I don't really see the point in arguing which universe is more realistic because realism doesn't inherently make a story better or more interesting. Some superheroes who draw their power from magic and others that draw from science. However both are just explanations for powers which only make sense within their given universe so I don't see how either are really more realistic.
I'm actually more of a DC Universe person, myself. I blame the animated universe for that.
You can probably tell by my comic book shelves, and that's not even counting my box of magazine comics (mostly from the DC reboot/New 52 though)
Oh wow that's a gross over simplification. His home planet exploded so his parents sent him out in spaceship to save him. The radiation from the sun gave him powers that he wouldn't of had at home. Oh yes that's so much more realistic than say a God of Thunder? I'm sorry I fail to see your point.
Clearly both of you don't know anything about the DC Universe, or if you do, you are letting your own bias cloud your judgement. Neither universe is really more realistic and being more realistic doesn't make a universe better. Maybe you're able to suspend your disbelief of the Marvel Universe more but that's called "bias" that isn't about the universe being more realistic.
If I had to break it down logically:
Justice League:
Batman = Gadgets/Tech and trained to physical peak (so Science based)
Superman = Alien from another planet reacting to our sun's radiation (Science)
The Flash = Science Accident (science, obviously)
Wonder Woman = Power from the Gods (Magic)
Green Lantern = Magical ring from Aliens (Magic)
Cyborg = Cybernetic enhancements (Science)*
* He's in the reboot Justice League so he will probably be in the movie if there is one in the future.
Avengers:
Thor = God (magic)
Captain American = Science Experiment (Science)
Hulk = Science Accident (Science)
Iron Man = Tech suit (Science)
Black Widow = trained martial artist (so science)
So um, we have one less superhero with magic based powers in the Avengers, congratulations Marvel, you beat DC by one Character? I guess? I don't really see the difference since there is magic in both universes, it just shows that both have different mythos that they draw powers from, it doesn't show that one is really more realistic than the other. Also you can't really base that off one team in a whole universe of characters.
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"I feel more like a needle always pulling on the thread, always making the same point again and wondering if you heard what I just said."
Are we seriously arguing over the realism in comic books? Grow up. The film looks good by the way.
I wasn't really arguing so much as trying to prove a point that comic books are not realistic. So by extension neither of the universes are more realistic.
"I feel more like a needle always pulling on the thread, always making the same point again and wondering if you heard what I just said."
I don't think think the comment was directed at you. It seems like a general statement over the entire debate, which is fair. You're mostly correct in what you say, except I'd define the Green Lantern as Alien Technology rather than magic on the same standards of Dr. Insano being a scientist... He really needs his own comic book, as well.
I'm not much for the Avengers to be honest. It might just be because the character are mostly fucking boring and don't play off each other as well as the Justice League do. Then again, it's hard (read: impossible) to compete against the Batman.
I hate Captain America, I can't look at Thor without rolling my eyes, Iron man is only interesting to me because of Downey Jr. I have absolutely no idea why I should care about Hawkeye and who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to invite the fucking Hulk? Isn't that like brining a necrophile along for a murder investigation? It just outright spells disaster, doesn't it?
1. I said myself in the same post you quoted that I'd never read the comics, and that all of my knowledge comes from word of mouth and a review I saw on the animated series, so I'm not sure quite what you were expecting. As for the having not named him a typical super hero, I see the sense to your logic on a typical super hero, but when I think of a typical super hero, I imagine the silly ones like Spider man, people who were turned into super heroes through ridiculous methods, and have ridiculous powers. Mind you, I probably hold this as the common super hero because it's the type that sticks out most, and reflecting on the list of actual super heroes that I do know, they actually aren't like Spider-man, so I suppose your comment on Super-man not being a typical super hero holds value.
2. I wasn't arguing over realism Akisame. The complaint Zola was trying to make was that he felt because Marvel had more realistic super heroes than DC, that made them better, and the given example he gave to show a non-realistic super hero was with Superman, and it occurred to me that Superman, from what I knew, was actually somewhat realistic. EDIT: Or at least not as unrealistic as what I held to be a typical super hero when I made that post, Spider man.
Invalid argument is invalid.
You know, I thought the typical super hero was someone dressed in a stupid costume and who uphold a moral ideal that we associate with benevolence and heroism. Charity, generosity, truth, honour - stuff like that. Kind of like.... Superman? You know, it's almost like he was designed to be the embodiment of an ideal super hero. Fancy that.
Spider-Man is a very special super hero in that he's a continuing sadistic marketing experiment to see how miserable you can make a character's life without people outright rejecting the idea as retarded *COUGHONEMOREDAYCOUGH* and most Spider-Man story arcs outright revolve around how fucked up his life is. Spider-Man is probably the most emo super hero ever, even with his upbeat attitude because his writers just can't fucking get a grip.
Well, realistic isn't the word I'd use... But I guess it's more realistic than getting about a gallon of acid on you and somehow that connects you with an otherworldly, extra dimensional energy source that gives you super speed.
You both only viewed Superman as "unrealistic" because you both seem to know nothing about him ss far as I can tell from your posts. Which is a really stupid way to present an opinion because it makes you look stupid.
Also I don't really see how getting your powers from a radio active spider is more believable than aliens reacting to radiation from the sun.
Oh well debating who or what is more realistic in terms of comic book lore is kind of silly and pointless.
Eh I don't know if the Green Lantern's power is alien technology or magic, I mean the idea of converting will power into energy with a "power ring" seems magical to me. That and the fact the source seems to be the lantern and you're "chosen". That said I haven't read too many Green Lantern comics so I could be wrong.
Also Green Lantern has 3 comics in the reboot. Green Lantern Corps, Green Lantern, Green Lantern: New Guardians. (New Guardians being the only one I'm currently reading). That's not even including the Red Lantern comic.
There's also the latest lot of trades written by Geoff Johns starting with Rebirth which are really popular, apparently also changing some or updating some of the Green Lantern Mythos.
Last edited by Akisame; January 11th, 2012 at 04:39 PM.
"I feel more like a needle always pulling on the thread, always making the same point again and wondering if you heard what I just said."
The power ring of the Green Lantern core was originally a magical device but has since then been retconned into a technological tool created by the Guardians of Oa. The people who wield them are subsequently all hand picked by Oa - in modern comics - and there is no prophecy or the like. Certain people are just naturally talented at using it.
These are all things that a 3 minute Wikipedia search would tell you, so perhaps you should take your own advice and calm down a little. No one here is waging war, it's a discussion about comic book characters.
Oh well that's good to know, I always thought it was magical. I need to read more Green Lantern, obviously.
"I feel more like a needle always pulling on the thread, always making the same point again and wondering if you heard what I just said."
So, you're looking at the similarities between the two examples characters I used to stump the argument that my typical super hero of spider man was rather different from Super man. All right, the differences again then.
Spider man fights with webs. That power's so impractical it's no where near as silly as Super mans many powers. Super may have some odd powers for all I know, but I know for sure that he has powers such as Heat vision, flight, and X-ray vision. Immediately you can see the uses to powers like those. Being able to shoot webs from your wrists is ridiculous, granted once you know what Spider-man can do with those webs, you understand the use the power can have, but if you hadn't I'm sure it would have taken anyone a few minutes to think of anything useful he could do, other than of course wrapping people up as a spider does. Sure, they're both relatively silly, but Spider-man's on a completely different level of silliness, making him very different. They're Fair enough, you pointed out differences that the characters have with that post but I think the two are very different examples of super heroes. And as I said, Spider-man's a human who was turned due to...a radioactive spider. Whereas as Superman was an alien whose powers come to him due to that he was born with the ability to initiate them through exposure to the sun. 'He's an alien's a weak excuse, but its better than a spider did it.people (should have said human here, I admit that was somewhat unclear) who were turned into super heroes through ridiculous methods, and have ridiculous powers.
Uhm, I don't see why you connected that part of your post to the particular part of my post that you connected it to. I wasn't saying anything about Spider-man's life
Wait, what super hero are you talking about here? A gallon of acid isn't super-man or Spider-man. Unless you're just, comparing the gallon of acid to the radiation Super-man get from the sun?
You've completley mis-read my post, I was saying superman's reasons for having powers were more realistic than Spider-mans. I said I found him to be more convincing than Spider-man, somewhat unrealistic but less so than Parker
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I'm not looking at anything except the typical definition of a super hero. Super-Man is a typical super hero. So is Captain Marvel. What my point is? I want you to properly define your terms because otherwise you're not going to achieve anything in the argument. Now I know you did that later, but we'll see how well that holds up later in the post.
You know, the web of a spider is one of the toughest materials in the world. If you could spin lines thick enough to grasp, those lines would all - individually - be able to stop a jet plane in its tracks, assuming it's stuck to something capable of stopping the plane... Like Chuck Norris. The only limitation of Spidey's webs is that they're on a timer, meaning that they'll degrade almost instantly after a set amount of time which is the official explanation why Manhattan isn't covered in webs. Why am I telling you this? Because this is a really, REALLY fucking useful ability and there's a ba-jillion things you could do with it. See the reason why you can't think of anything is because you don't understand what a centimetre thick line of spider silk is capable of.
Oh, I was just arguing your attempted definition of Spider-Man as a typical super hero. Now, if you're referring to the fact that he has a custome, has silly powers and all that jazz, then fine, but that's not typical of Spider-Man.
Here, let me educate you.
Well, fair enough I suppose, I was using a self-formed typicality so yeah I can understand why that needed focusing on removing.
Fair enough, I had no idea that something as flimsy looking as Spider web was that strong. Under that knowledge I can uderstand why the power could be taken more seriously.
I suppose having a scarred, horrible life to the point of Spider-mans (I am actually aware of a few of the darker moments he's witnessed in his life through my sister, so yes I do understand what you're referring to here) does set him apart from most super heroes as well.
As for the Flash part, yeah, I know nothing of him, other than his speed and costume.
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