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    Default Travelers of the Twelve Planes

    We are the forgotten hero's of twelve planes, twelve realms of existence to walk in where we no longer exist. Our families dead, our homes burnt, and to avoid HIS return, as immortals we must hid who we truly are. But...it may finally time to speak and tell the story to the end. We have come close before, claiming ourselves as traveling bards telling tales of hero's long gone who saved the world. Of course we lied to them, unable to tell the full truth, we could not allow anyone to remember us, our stories hiding HIM away replaced with a much more pleasant nightmare.

    While I fear the return of HIM, it may be time we brought him back and finally tried to kill him. This is where you the reader comes in, to remind the world of us. We were once known on all planes, hero's who stepped in as if from nowhere killing the monsters of the world, finally allowing the races of the twelve planes to spread and learn without fear of attack. HIM will bring them back, but we fear that if he does not return the races of the twelve planes will become the new monsters as HIM infects the very people we protected.

    We have known of your world since it had first spread from the caves, we remember our work to destroy and hid the markings showing the demons your kind once faced. We were horrified when you first discovered the bones of monsters, even making non-sense movements to try to discourage your knowing of what some of these bones really were. We know how you will doubt what we have to say, throwing it off as fantasy. But understand we are the reason you will doubt, every time humans discovered or remembered a monster of the past we warped it by adding in things when possible to make it sound less real, or simply convinced as many people as possible that it was a myth.

    My plane has always been a bit more violent than yours the plane of change. My own plane was much more violent actually, the children just as blood thirsty as your planes more evil warriors. My plane was the plane of war, and I was once one of these barbaric children, my worlds children set up tribes in the forest to nearly beat our enemies to death, only ever uniting with another child tribe when a monster appeared. The adults did not care, they were always at war with the monsters. My mother even encouraged me to start a tribe when I once argued with the tribe leader of the group I was in at the time. The argument did not matter much after I had almost killed him and took his group as my own.

    There are other planes, some extremely violent even in peaceful times, others so safe that the plane is at risk of over population. To know what we are and what we did to stop HIM, before the twelve of us became what we are, and ask that you forgive us. I offer you my own story, the other travelers will offer their own. Maybe you will understand what we did, maybe you will disagree with our choice but, the planes will suffer regardless until we have found a way to kill HIM. So we ask that you keep a open mind, and maybe your plane will remember what we travelers are, and what your plane once could do.
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    Remember to watch your tenses, "hide" instead of 'hid', 'to become' instead of 'become', etc.

    It isn't bad, but an idea would be to try to see if you could write it in third person - no mention of the fourth wall - before you go into what you have now.
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    I agree with Rockonman for hide and in the last paragraph in the second sentence I think it should be: before the twelve of us became what we are. Those were my negative critics.
    My positive critics are for your plot and the first-person writing (have to disagree with Rockonman for this) keep it up and if you don't continue this story like the last one I won't read any of your future works
    Cheers

    Edit: If you think it is crappy you are terribly wrong. Now I'm pissed.
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    I'm not saying what he has is bad at all, I'm just saying that it might be a good idea to write it in third person to really flesh out all the details, then go back and change it so that it's in first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockonman View Post
    Remember to watch your tenses, "hide" instead of 'hid', 'to become' instead of 'become', etc.
    I see what you mean with hide instead of hid, but 'become' I think I only used once as "will become" for that I don't think 'to' would be a proper add on. I will see if I can find any other mistakes on re-reading it. (I wait a day normally before I do it to avoid "writers bias".)


    Quote Originally Posted by Rockonman View Post
    It isn't bad, but an idea would be to try to see if you could write it in third person - no mention of the fourth wall - before you go into what you have now.
    I have a few stories in third person, I think I attempted second once, and I have tried forth person (what I call it when a story is made like those myths of different gods and heroes, where it is obscure and almost poetic in how its written.) If you want to see those attempts I will link you to a few, but this story I felt worked better as a first *shrugs*. But the 4th wall breaking may be going over but I think I did it better then how some stories and games only do it as a joke.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rockonman View Post
    I'm not saying what he has is bad at all, I'm just saying that it might be a good idea to write it in third person to really flesh out all the details, then go back and change it so that it's in first.
    Hm, I misunderstood and can see what you mean. But still, for some odd reason, I tend to be even more detailed when writing first person then third actually, I am not sure if writing it as first then turning it into a third would improve details much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zola View Post
    I agree with Rockonman for hide and in the last paragraph in the second sentence I think it should be: before the twelve of us became what we are.
    Hm, I like that phrasing as well, I hope you don't mind if I take it. Or maybe not, it might be a bit wordy....hm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zola View Post
    Those were my negative critics.
    My positive critics are for your plot and the first-person writing (have to disagree with Rockonman for this) keep it up and if you don't continue this story like the last one I won't read any of your future works
    Cheers
    Thank you and I plan to at least write the first chapter before I give up on this.

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    Edit: If you think it is crappy you are terribly wrong. Now I'm pissed.
    I call everything I write crappy. Maybe I am a bit pessimistic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zolen
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    Just a crappy idea of a intro to a story.
    No, no. Fuck you. If you think it's crappy, YOU WORK ON IT. You shouldn't just abruptly stop with a feeling of underachievement, serve it to us and then call it CRAP - just as we don't go to restaurants expecting the chef, who somehow has self-esteem issues, to cook us something he calls "crap".

    Look us in the eye, with dignity and ASK: "What do you think I need to improve on?". We don't want you to suddenly throw us some random, incomplete and boring work, expecting pity on the poor soul who wrote it. It makes us(or me anyway) feel bad reading and criticizing it when the person is all "meh" and "'kay..." to our responses.

    Work on your projects and finish them or at least provide SOLID READING MATERIAL before you press that submit button. Also, this maybe my opinion, but I don't like 4th person interaction when introducing a world(another reason why I don't like Rick Riordan) with very predictable characters and bland personalities.

    ---EDIT---
    Get rid of that large, red W. It does nothing for the story, especially the choice of color and font which highly contrast with the regular paragraphs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paperback Writer View Post
    No, no. Fuck you. If you think it's crappy, YOU WORK ON IT. You shouldn't just abruptly stop with a feeling of underachievement, serve it to us and then call it CRAP - just as we don't go to restaurants expecting the chef, who somehow has self-esteem issues, to cook us something he calls "crap".

    Look us in the eye, with dignity and ASK: "What do you think I need to improve on?". We don't want you to suddenly throw us some random, incomplete and boring work, expecting pity on the poor soul who wrote it. It makes us(or me anyway) feel bad reading and criticizing it when the person is all "meh" and "'kay..." to our responses.

    Work on your projects and finish them or at least provide SOLID READING MATERIAL before you press that submit button. Also, this maybe my opinion, but I don't like 4th person interaction when introducing a world(another reason why I don't like Rick Riordan) with very predictable characters and bland personalities.

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    Get rid of that large, red W. It does nothing for the story, especially the choice of color and font which highly contrast with the regular paragraphs.
    For some reason your comment made me smile. I threw a work that I personally enjoyed reading back to myself, and hopped would be worth the read, I would have waited till I had a full chapter even if not for the magic known as nobody likes reading a chapter worth of text on a computer. (or at least my 10 page worth at 9 font level chapters)

    I can agree with you, once you read one Rick Riordan book it feels like you read them all, because he writes with the same pattern every time.

    I always try to write replies that encourage another reply. Notice how I ask questions and give answers that imply I expect a response. Sometimes its hard to do that, but I don't mean to make replies that sound like "kay" or "meh".

    W special effect gone...I have no idea what I was thinking with that really.

    Hm, so this is boring to you? In what way do you think might improve on that then?

    edit: True the system I am going in may not be to your liking, but I am as I write more and more leaning to first person, and considering the plot of this story I thought putting in "you" and involving the reader might have made sense. Though you misunderstand "you" is a phrasing used in second person, 4th person would be very indirect, for example http://www.cherokee-nc.com/index.php?page=97 (I as a child loved this legend) would be called a 4th person. Its basically writing in a way, that is as impersonal as it is possible to get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zolen View Post
    edit: True the system I am going in may not be to your liking, but I am as I write more and more leaning to first person, and considering the plot of this story I thought putting in "you" and involving the reader might have made sense. Though you misunderstand "you" is a phrasing used in second person, 4th person would be very indirect, for example http://www.cherokee-nc.com/index.php?page=97 (I as a child loved this legend) would be called a 4th person. Its basically writing in a way, that is as impersonal as it is possible to get.
    A good way to fix the problem would be to throw a few "I"'s in there. Make it seem like it's a memoir of what the guy did, or where he is detailing history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockonman View Post
    I'm not saying what he has is bad at all, I'm just saying that it might be a good idea to write it in third person to really flesh out all the details, then go back and change it so that it's in first.
    You misunderstood me, I didn't thought that your idea is bad. I've just said that I disagree with it because writing in third person is way harder
    I've recently read Night and Day Watch (Lukyanjenko) which were in first person, I was thrilled
    Quote Originally Posted by Zolen View Post
    Hm, I like that phrasing as well, I hope you don't mind if I take it. Or maybe not, it might be a bit wordy....hm.
    I dunno, I just thought it would be better. Your phrasing somehow doesn't fit to me
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    Thank you and I plan to at least write the first chapter before I give up on this.
    I'll kill you if you give up on this! Write, write and write.
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    I call everything I write crappy. Maybe I am a bit pessimistic?
    You're not pessimist for a bit, you are way pessimist XD

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    I just was trying to say that it would be a good idea to have a rough structure of what he wants to do in terms of setting the scene, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockonman View Post
    A good way to fix the problem would be to throw a few "I"'s in there. Make it seem like it's a memoir of what the guy did, or where he is detailing history.
    I was planning for the opening (this intro) to seem more like he is speaking for the whole group. Then for each chapter it will go in first person for each character as they have a turn talking about their own, as they gradually end up meeting each other and how they got to that point. Hm, do you think it would be better then to just focus on the leader of the group (the guy who is talking in the intro) then?



    Quote Originally Posted by Zola View Post
    You misunderstood me, I didn't thought that your idea is bad. I've just said that I disagree with it because writing in third person is way harder
    I disagree with that In the end the perspective is not all that hard. I have written in them all. Its just a matter of picking the right perspective for the right story. This story to me felt like it would work better as a first person.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zola View Post
    I dunno, I just thought it would be better. Your phrasing somehow doesn't fit to me
    Hm, I guess I will take the phrasing it works and seems to flow slightly better with the sentence before it to me.

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    I'll kill you if you give up on this! Write, write and write.
    haha

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    You're not pessimist for a bit, you are way pessimist XD
    I think I need to work on that then. I suggest that it would be solved the moment humanity invents teleportation!


    Quote Originally Posted by Rockonman View Post
    I just was trying to say that it would be a good idea to have a rough structure of what he wants to do in terms of setting the scene, etc.
    I do, in fact if anyone wanted it, I could give you the ten pages (ten last I counted) worth of notes on the different rules, laws, locations, and people I have plans to use. Along with sentences I could not find to fit in that I plan to put in later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zolen View Post
    I was planning for the opening (this intro) to seem more like he is speaking for the whole group. Then for each chapter it will go in first person for each character as they have a turn talking about their own, as they gradually end up meeting each other and how they got to that point. Hm, do you think it would be better then to just focus on the leader of the group (the guy who is talking in the intro) then?
    If you're planning on writing on writing it this way, I would suggest you either a)Write it as if it's after the fact, one of the main characters is writing down the story after the fact, or b)Write the intro in third person and make it a lead in to the story, and have each chapter in first person from each party member. At least, thats how I'd do it.
    Quote Originally Posted by zolen
    I do, in fact if anyone wanted it, I could give you the ten pages (ten last I counted) worth of notes on the different rules, laws, locations, and people I have plans to use.
    Maybe you could pm me the most important details of who/what/when/where/why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockonman View Post
    If you're planning on writing on writing it this way, I would suggest you either a)Write it as if it's after the fact, one of the main characters is writing down the story after the fact, or b)Write the intro in third person and make it a lead in to the story, and have each chapter in first person from each party member. At least, thats how I'd do it.
    It is after the fact as it is implied (I hope) by the intro. Hm, so you think I should just have it based around one of them rather then all. I can see your point in this, now that I think about it, in stories where they jump from person to person per chapter I tend to get annoyed or skip a lot of it only really caring about the view of who ever started talking first.



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    Maybe you could pm me the most important details of who/what/when/where/why.
    (You must love spoilers) Okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zolen View Post
    I was planning for the opening (this intro) to seem more like he is speaking for the whole group. Then for each chapter it will go in first person for each character as they have a turn talking about their own, as they gradually end up meeting each other and how they got to that point. Hm, do you think it would be better then to just focus on the leader of the group (the guy who is talking in the intro) then?
    I understood that when I've read it in the first time and for me it's a huge step because he is narrating the story in the first person (I liked that), I think that it's better to chose three main characters and write in their perspective (but write the most chapters with the main character). I also suggest you to describe the whole realm, us the readers have to see it trough our minds and make a good pencil drawn picture of realm (like Tolkin) those where the suggestions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zolen View Post
    I disagree with that In the end the perspective is not all that hard. I have written in them all. Its just a matter of picking the right perspective for the right story. This story to me felt like it would work better as a first person.
    Dunno, for me it's easy to write in first person, you can clearly expose the emotions of the characters and his thoughts.

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    Hm, I guess I will take the phrasing it works and seems to flow slightly better with the sentence before it to me.
    Told ya

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    Always ;)

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    I think I need to work on that then. I suggest that it would be solved the moment humanity invents teleportation!
    You must change the way of your thinking.

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    I do, in fact if anyone wanted it, I could give you the ten pages (ten last I counted) worth of notes on the different rules, laws, locations, and people I have plans to use. Along with sentences I could not find to fit in that I plan to put in later.
    Nah, don't ever show your plans to everyone (that's the moment where the story falls apart)

    Quote Originally Posted by Rockonman View Post
    If you're planning on writing on writing it this way, I would suggest you either a)Write it as if it's after the fact, one of the main characters is writing down the story after the fact, or b)Write the intro in third person and make it a lead in to the story, and have each chapter in first person from each party member. At least, thats how I'd do it.


    Maybe you could pm me the most important details of who/what/when/where/why.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zolen View Post
    It is after the fact as it is implied (I hope) by the intro. Hm, so you think I should just have it based around one of them rather then all. I can see your point in this, now that I think about it, in stories where they jump from person to person per chapter I tend to get annoyed or skip a lot of it only really caring about the view of who ever started talking first.
    You can't know how it would affect on you (only when you write it, then you'll know).
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    Zolen, I'm going to give you a slap on the cheek. It's totally fine if you get mad because I'm not going to be nice to you.

    You are 19.
    You live in America.
    You consider yourself a writer.

    And yet your grammar is some of the worst I have seen in a long time. I'm 19, I only write when I make RPG contributions and English is my second language with an additional 2 other languages I also need to keep up with. I can safely say I am superior - By the looks of it - in comparison to you.

    It's either that or you are embarrassingly lazy. Microsoft Word would've caught a good portion of those grammar mistakes of yours! If you're really lazy and won't correct these mistakes yourself, you can just write the text there and let a piece of cold, non-sentient software do a better job than you.

    Also who the hell needs an entire hospital when they are hurt? How about a nurse or a doctor at first?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killing_Time View Post
    Zolen, I'm going to give you a slap on the cheek. It's totally fine if you get mad because I'm not going to be nice to you.

    You are 19.
    You live in America.
    You consider yourself a writer.

    And yet your grammar is some of the worst I have seen in a long time. I'm 19, I only write when I make RPG contributions and English is my second language with an additional 2 other languages I also need to keep up with. I can safely say I am superior - By the looks of it - in comparison to you.

    It's either that or you are embarrassingly lazy. Microsoft Word would've caught a good portion of those grammar mistakes of yours! If you're really lazy and won't correct these mistakes yourself, you can just write the text there and let a piece of cold, non-sentient software do a better job than you.

    Also who the hell needs an entire hospital when they are hurt? How about a nurse or a doctor at first?
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    I have said it many times that I consider myself horrible, and grammar is the reason. There is this long story of why I ended up with horrible grammar like I have today but the sum of it is yeah, I was stupid and lazy when I should have been learning how to write in my own language as a child, so now my grammar is screwed up because of my 'self-educating' which gave me all sorts of made up rules that I unintentionally follow and have been unable to get rid of....also, I think I put this up forgetting to look through it for errors....ummm, nobody else read this till I edit it.

    Most go to a hospital if they happen to have had a large metal object stabbed all the way through their arm and out the other side, at least for stitches. Though glancing now I see where I called a hole in the bicep a 'wound' so yeah.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zolen View Post
    It is after the fact as it is implied (I hope) by the intro. Hm, so you think I should just have it based around one of them rather then all. I can see your point in this, now that I think about it, in stories where they jump from person to person per chapter I tend to get annoyed or skip a lot of it only really caring about the view of who ever started talking first.
    It's almost easier to write this way. You can make it from multiple points of views, but you have to make sure that each person has his own point of view on the situation and has their own personality, and that's hard to do.


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    (You must love spoilers) Okay.
    I'm just trying to help you write your story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockonman View Post
    It's almost easier to write this way. You can make it from multiple points of views, but you have to make sure that each person has his own point of view on the situation and has their own personality, and that's hard to do.

    It's not hard, in fact at one time I almost was several people, (hard to explain) the hard part is that sometimes personality that are very different might have a very similar way of explaining things (you notice this if you read a few essays that some people will use very similar phrasing and details if asked to write the same thing, when given the same materiel to work with for example) The fact that I have twelve protagonist would make it almost impossible to make them all distinct enough to be worth the effort. Which is why I said I am just going to stick to using the leader.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rockonman View Post
    I'm just trying to help you write your story.
    I was making a joke :/

    I am thankful for the time your willing to offer regardless. Though I think my biggest problem is grammar that is at the level of embarrassment that I sometimes am tempted to pretend English is not my first language when writing something.
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    I tried, enjoy. Please say what ever you want, even if its harsh, it may help me improve.


    When I was young my parents gave me a birth name 'Sulit' a name that means 'killing one’s home' in my country, and in my plane. I was named after my father's 'speech name' or colate, the first word he spoke clearly. My own colate being 'Makin', a word meaning 'to eat hearts', a violent name, and a name considered proper in my family. My plane is a violent and bloodthirsty place, where the only honor you could gain would be through battle. Any boy or girl is expected to have killed at least once by ten years old and an adult is expected to have killed at least one person for every year they have been alive.

    At a young age our parents encouraged us to join or start ‘bands’ or ‘tribes’. They were little more than organized groups for beating each other up and rarely known for their reliability. I remember the day my mother took me to the house of a tribe leader. A boy with the colate ‘Navric’, a violent boy who attempted to punch me the first time we meant. He claimed it was how his tribe greeted strangers, a fun idea at the time. Violence is my planes way, it is how we are raised and grow to be adults able to battle monsters.
    Yet I hate my plane for this and regret that I was eager as any other child of my plane for thinking this kind of life was right. As a child I could wait for nothing more than my tenth birthday when I would get my license to kill, and finally be allowed to kill the original tribe leader of my band. Shortly after I had taken over, he challenged me and took half my band with him. I decided then that he would be perfect for my first kill. I would prove my leadership, thus regaining my old band members and the followers he had gathered since. I think I used a photo I had stolen from his house for training, taping the image of his face to a metal dummy, coating the metal frame in dents and almost breaking my sword twice on it.

    Then there was my mother, a cool and blood thirsty killer, and perhaps a personality I wish I had. "Makin." My mother said, dressed in decorated iron, "You must clean your armor daily if do not want it to rust." I don't even think she ever cared to clean the blood off it that day.

    "Yes, mother, the dirt will be cleaned later, I wish to train more." I waved a small hand-in-a-half blade at her, the sword coated in cracks.

    "My son has already bested Navric." She named my rival. His colate name meaning 'to lay still.' "Why must my son fight him again? It would be a dishonor to have your first kill be a boy you already beat." Such heartless words, she was even friends with the mother of Navric, but at our age, it is expected that at least half of us would die. The worst thing a mother and father could have is a weak child.

    "After losing his tribe he quickly collected another, with his head my honor would advance because of his rise, the power of my tribe would double, mother." I said imagining the swarm of followers that would be in my tribe, Navric’s death only a minor thought in my bloody joy.

    "Makin, my son, you may be thinking to highly of numbers. Your almost too old to be in a tribe. You should look for a prey that is higher, an enemy worthy of your first kill." She was perhaps kind now that I think about it. Her words did not reach me at the time though, and I was as I said a barbaric child. I had waited for this birthday for three long years, since I started to realize that killing ended fights faster than letting them live.

    "Shall I hunt for an adult?" I almost laughed. "I would be honored throughout the town for that mother."

    "I am afraid you may not be ready for that my Makin." She rested her iron gauntlet on my head, a proper show of affection for a child, and pushed me on the ground. "If you can't even take on a monster on your own, I fear for your attempt at a proper adult who has killed hundreds of them."

    "I am strong mother." I slashed my sword to hold off her hand, my sword dull and brittle hardly able to knock the dried blood off her armored hand.

    "You will need a proper sword before you face anything." She said holding onto the blade that I had waved at her. My sword was a 'holisk' a “left over” that had become too weak from too many kills. It was a gift from my father to help me train.

    "I would like more than one." I said, throwing the sword to the side after she let go, the sword almost breaking as it bounced off a wall. Just like people the gifts given were rarely treated well unless they were strong.

    "Numbers my son, are not what matters when a choice is made." She said.

    "I have an idea mother." Ignoring her words I announced, "I will fight a monster."

    "I...my son..." She was unsure how to reply; maybe she did not have confidence in it, which was probably well placed. "It is...truly a high honor for your first kill to be a monster." My mother a powerful woman, she actually captured a monster for my first kill not a day after, a Baci. I think the plane of Cycles calls it an Ogre. A strong but stupid monster that can easily be tricked by the smell of a child's blood into the most basic traps. The monster was twelve feet tall, with a rotten tree for a club that is carried around like a baby when not fighting. I still remember the smell of rotten flesh and urine on the monster, I am not sure if it swam in it, or its bladder was full of holes.
    It was almost funny when I think about it, how I thought I was capable enough to take on an Ogre. I even requested that specific type of monster, choosing something large and powerful, more interested in how much honor I would win, then my actual chances of living through the fight. If I had to pick a more powerful monster I would only be able to think of two others, and not even I was stupid enough to pick either of them. Yet this monster was perhaps harder to hate when you looked at him. He was almost pitiful, his skin looked like it might fall off even. Each twitch in its cage made me think the creature was shaking.

    I remember spending at least 2 hours before I went to sleep each night staring at the monster behind the bars, its colorfully mushy skin looked like it was going to slid off at every twitch. "So are you prepared to fight me?" I commonly said to it when the day I was to fight it to the death was getting closer. Sometimes I would almost whisper "I'm not." But I was a barbaric boy, I wanted to kill. But every time I saw the monster, as I visited his cage I wondered if murdering the creature would really be fun like my father had been telling me. As I said the Baci from head to toe was a massive pile of rot. His flesh looked like it was about to peel off by how much it bounced about. His club was almost as bad, and his eyes, his eyes were almost gone. They were nothing more than blackened orbs with small bits of twig sticking out of them as if he had head butted a few trees. It’s a ugly monster that I almost feared and almost felt sorry for.

    As for the test itself when the day had finally come "Mother, I am fine." I said annoyed as she adjusted my helmet, the sound of loud screeching coming from the chainmail hood I was wearing under it.

    "Makin my son, I have confidence that you will get your license, yet I am just thinking about your challenge after." She, I am guessing had doubted I would live from the start against the Ogre. Yet to ever announce it clearly would sound like disowning in my plane, it felt horrible to me at the time when she had come so close to saying she doubted.

    "I will kill the monster and bring honor to myself and family." I said raising my hands, a hand-and-a-half sword in both. The fresh steel looked almost hungry for blood. By the customs of my plane, laws were rare, and if they did exist they existed for more than just the land someone was in. The law of the 'license to kill' has existed for a long time, some say it was inspired when our race of humans were close to extinction from sending four year olds off to war. As I said, my planes people are barbarians, so hungry with war and honor that my ancestors actually killed the man who thought up guns simply because it would mean shorter and less bloody fights. I sometimes fear what would have happened if they would have accepted the idea of bombs.

    The license is earned through a fight against an instructor to prove your able to fight competently and live. A 'Gizen' or 'death healer', a warrior who developed means of healing bodies that are 'beyond death' as legend says, they can even bring themselves back if legend is true. The Gizen I was to face was almost in his sixties, an oddity in my plane, and to meet a warrior that has lived so long is considered a high honor. His left eye was missing and the flesh on his exposed arms seemed almost as loose as the Ogre's might have been, I think during his lecture I spend more time staring at the waving flesh of his arm as he pointed and waved his hands at me.

    "Our ‘family’, this town lives on honor as you have been told." The Gizen said. "You are finally reaching an age where our ‘family’ will recognize your goals and power. As to if you bring honor to us, will start with your first kill. I understand your mom captured an Ogre. It will be an honorable attempt whether you live or die. A bit more interesting than the choices most kids make."

    "What is my test?" I asked pointing one of my swords at him, a challenge to start in my plane.

    "Your test? To wound me, before I knock you out." The Gizen said smiling. "Your father requested that the license for you be a challenge. He said you were a true man, and killing an Ogre would be nothing to you, so I must test you well.” Despite what I said before, our plane may be barbaric but our technology is in some ways more efficient then the plane of Cycles. So the fact that he pulled a broad sword off his back that unfolded itself out of a small cube really is not a surprise.

    "Then I will give him thanks in battle." I said, charging at him. One of my swords clashed with the broad sword as I swung both at him, the second blade tapped the side of his sword before hitting the ground with a rude clang. The Gizen and I stood in place, trading feints, thrusts and parries with lightning speed, almost impossible to follow as it went faster and faster. I am still amazed at the man as he reacted to each swing with that massive blade as if he was fighting with a dagger.

    "Good, good you have been practicing." He announced, pivoting forward with the blade against my two crossed blades, the weight shoving me back. "Treat the swords as if they are complementing each other." He said, as I pulled out of the of the guard and rolled over the attack, the sword in my left hand flying into a wall far left of me when the Gizen elbowed me in the face on my role.

    "I know." I threw a feint at his gut only to roll under him as he attempted to impale me. I has to duck as he threw his own sword at me, the blade cutting the metal floor in front of me like butter, forcing me to move to the side as another sword flew by, cutting my cheek, my jaw almost knocked out of place as the heavy handle bashed me in the back of the head then almost hooked on my jaw.

    "Do not worry about losing a weapon unless you have no more left." He pulled anther cube, another broad sword out of his pocket. Again we went into the movements, a thrust thrown at his side, parries and countered with an overhead swipe, the movements of our blades leaving the air around us howling, my own blood flying around the fight as the heart started pumping harder. Then something happened I did not expect him to kick me back. I went flying back into the wall, my sword stuck a few feet above my head on the wall I had been trying to reach a few moments before. "You were trained well by your mom and dad, but it seems you're a bit surprised."

    "Cheap move." I muttered pulling myself up wondering if I had enough time to yank my other sword out of the wall.

    "Nothing is cheap in battle, honor is only to those who live. Remember that boy." He threw his broad sword at me, the blade cleaving through the wall that I had been resting on a second ago. I rolled into him as he was unarmed, I thrust at his gut, he parried by my attack only by an inch, his foot slamming into my face. Another cube was pulled out of his pocket quickly unfolding into a sword before I could reach him, the broad sword simply swung down on me.

    "Crap." I threw my sword at him while rolling out of the way not expecting a hit. The sword, my sword, past his guard and slipping cleanly into his bicep, the muscle splashing blood out over his shirt and the sword.

    "Ow..." He muttered, letting go of his weapon to look at my own which had stuck itself cleanly in his bicep, the tip just poking out of the other side. "You win and I need a hospital." That kind of wound was nothing to our people. A flesh wound that can be healed with our technology in an hour, and fully recovered in three days assuming he does not bleed to death first. With this I planned to fight a monster, something that in the past I could only beat with an entire tribe helping me, and even then we could never kill them, a adult appearing just in time to kill it before one of us died to the monsters. I was eager, I was hungry after my first real fight with a sword, I was so scared.
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    I think I will edit this later when I have the time, but for now lets just go through the writing and point out obvious mistakes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zolen
    When I was young my parents gave me a birth name 'Sulit' a name that means 'killing ones home' in my country, and in my plane. I was named after my father's 'speech name' or colate, the first word he spoke clearly. My own colate being 'Makin', a word meaning 'to eat hearts', a violent name, and a name considered proper in my family.
    These couple of sentences are very awkward...and you did not use "a" in the correct manner. The last sentence is just a mess. A better way to say the first sequence would be; "When I was young my parents gave me the birth name Sulit which means "killing one's home" from where I come from. It was my father's speech name, or colate; the first word he spoke clearly. In my case, the first work I could speak was Makin; meaning "to eat hearts." The rest of that sentence I left out because it really didn't make much sense. Maybe you can explain or word that better.

    Moving onto the second paragraph. Just like before almost every sentence is just awkward, the first sentence has a weird repetition of the word "plane", and the second sentence has a double negative. You also keep repeating as a child...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zolen
    I hate my plane for this and regret that I was eager as any other child of my plane for thinking this kind of life was right.
    I regret thinking like many other children that life like this was moral. - I can't find a good way to word this, I would consider editing further.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zolen
    Then there was my mother, a cool and blood thirsty killer, at the time I considered this proper, and perhaps a personality I wish I had.
    Drop the "considered this proper" segment -- Then there was my mother, a cool and blood thirsty killer, which at the time was a personality I wish I had.

    The rest of the dialogue just has a lot of grammar mistakes and mis-wordings which I will take care of later once I edit it. For now I won't go over everything concerning that. One note to make is the constant "I said". Now this isn't a bad thing, it would be worse if you used every single variation of I said, but at times you could be a bit more flavorful. Also I don't think a person mutters "ow". Maybe that's just what I think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zolen
    "Shall I hunt for an adult?" I asked
    Don't say asked if the reader already knows the character is asking a question.

    Anyways...you need a lot of work to do. At some points I just couldn't read what you wrote because it made no sense. Fix the awkwardness and the main problems I just pointed out to you. It's good to see that you haven't given up though. Keep that up.
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    I am not sure what to say other then thank you, and now I feel like looking over my wording again, to look for things that would be unreadable. I will not give up, and plan to use this work to improve, even if the story turns out to be a dud.

    I messed up as a child and never tried to improve, only claiming I was trying, and now its hard to improve as I have been stuck with my mistakes for so long. Thank you for any editing you do, and if possible...maybe allow me to watch the process so that I might be able to glean something from it.

    I say "ow" reflexively if I get hit with something unexpected, even if it does not hurt.
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    Make sure to watch your grammar, as usual.

    The biggest thing in this section is run-on sentences. They aren't as bad as they could be, but they could stand some improvement. I've listed the biggest ones here:

    My world is a violent and blood thirsty place, the only honor a family could have is in battle, any boy or girl is expected to have killed by ten, an adult is expected to have at least killed one person for every year they have been alive.
    This could have been better stated as:
    My plane is a violent and bloodthirsty place, where the only honor you could gain would be through battle. Any boy or girl is expected to have killed (how many? - R) by ten years old and an adult is expected to have killed at least one person for every year they have been alive.
    Shortly after I had taken over he had threatened me, and took half my bands with him, he seemed perfect for my first kill earning back my band and the followers he had been gaining since then.
    to
    Shortly after I had taken over, he challenged me and took half my band with him. I decided then that he would be perfect for my first kill. I would prove my leadership, thus regaining my old band members and the followers he had gathered since.
    On grammar, be careful that you're talking about events that happened in the past. Watch your tenses carefully, be sure not to add any extra words that aren't needed in the sentence to get your point across.

    Edit: What you have here is good, your ideas are all coherent and all there. You've improved a lot in between your first and second sections. They're great, you just need to fix the things that we've mentioned.
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    I tried, enjoy. Please say what ever you want, even if its harsh, it may help me improve.


    When I was young my parents gave me a birth name 'Sulit' a name that means 'killing ones home' in my country, and in my plane. I was named after my father's 'speech name' or colate, the first word he spoke clearly. My own colate being 'Makin', a word meaning 'to eat hearts', a violent name, and a name considered proper in my family. My world is a violent and blood thirsty place, the only honor a family could have is in battle, any boy or girl is expected to have killed by ten, an adult is expected to have at least killed one person for every year they have been alive.

    You confused me with the name I need a little explanation.

    I hate my plane for this and regret that I was eager as any other child of my plane for thinking this kind of life was right. As a child I could not wait for nothing more than my tenth birthday when I would get my license to kill, and finally be allowed to kill the original tribe leader of my band. Shortly after I had taken over he had threatened me, and took half my bands with him, he seemed perfect for my first kill earning back my band and the followers he had been gaining since then. I think I used a photo I had stolen from his house for training, taping the image of his face to a metal dummy, coating the metal frame in dents and almost breaking my sword twice on it.

    You haven't explained how a ten year old boy has his band (I can't imagine that)

    Then there was my mother, a cool and blood thirsty killer, at the time I considered this proper, and perhaps a personality I wish I had. "Makin." My mother said, dressed in decorated iron, "You must clean your armor daily if you wish it not to rust." I don't even think she ever cared to clean the blood off it that day.
    I think it should be like this: if you don't want it to rust (that sounds better for me) - this is only a proposal.
    "Yes, mother, the dirt will be cleaned later, I wish to train more." I said, waving a small hand-in-a-half blade at her, the sword coated in cracks.

    "My son has already bested Navric." My mother said, naming my rival. His colate name meaning 'to lay still.' "Why must my son fight him again? It would be a dishonor to have your first kill be a boy you already beat." Such heartless words, she was even friends with the mother of Navric, but at our age, it is expected that at least half of us would die. The worst thing a mother and father could have is a weak child.

    "After losing his tribe he quickly collected another, with his head my honor would rise because of his rise, the power of my tribe would double, mother." I said imagining the swarm of followers that would be in my tribe, the death of Navric only a minor thought in my bloody joy.
    1-you should put formed 2-you should chose another word 3-you are using many definite articles in this case you should write: "Navric's death was".

    "Makin, my son, you may be thinking to highly of numbers. Your almost too old to be in a tribe. You should look for a prey that is higher, an enemy worthy of your first kill." My mother was perhaps kind now that I think about it. Her words did not reach me at the time though, and I was as I said a barbaric child. I had waited for this birthday for three years, since I started to realize that killing ended fights faster than letting them live.

    you should put "long" between those two some adjectives would not hurt.

    "Shall I hunt for an adult?" I asked, almost laughing. "I would be honored throughout the town for that mother."

    "I am afraid you may not be ready for that my Makin." My mother rested her iron gauntlet on my head, a proper show of affection for a child, and pushed me on the ground. "If you can't even take on a monster on your own, I fear for your attempt at a proper adult who has killed hundreds of them."

    "I am strong mother." I said slashing my sword to hold off her hand, my sword todull and brittle to even knock the dried blood off her armored hand.

    1-so 2-that it could not another proposition

    "You will need a proper sword before you face anything." She said holding onto the blade that I had waved at her. My sword was a 'holisk' a “left over” that had become too weak from too many kills. It was a gift from my father to help me train.

    "I would like more than one." I said, throwing the sword to the side after she let go, the sword almost breaking as it bounced off a wall. Just like people the gifts given were rarely treated well unless they were strong.

    "Numbers my son, are not what matters when a choice is made." She said.

    "I have an idea mother." I said ignoring what she said once again. "I will fight a monster."

    Ignoring her words

    "I...my son..." My mother was unsure how to reply, maybe she did not have confidence in it, that was probably well placed. "It is...truly a high honor for your first kill to be a monster." My mother a powerful woman, she actually captured a monster for my first kill not a day after, a Baci. I think the plane of Cycles calls it an Ogre. A strong but stupid monster that can easily be tricked by the smell of a child's blood into the most basic traps. The monster was twelve feet tall, with a rotten tree for a club that is carried around like a baby when not fighting. I still remember the smell of rotten flesh and urine on the monster, I am not sure if it swam in it, or its bladder was full of holes.
    It was almost funny when I think about it, how I thought I was capable enough to take on an Ogre. I even requested that specific type of monster, choosing something large and powerful, more interested in how much honor I would win, then my actual chances of living through the fight. If I had to pick a more powerful monster I would only be able to think of two others, and not even I was stupid enough to pick either of them. Yet this monster was perhaps harder to hate when you looked at him. He was almost pitiful, his skin looked like it might fall off even. Each twitch in its cage made me think the creature was shaking.

    she; you are using too much personal pronouns

    I remember spending at least 2 hours before I went to sleep each night starting at the monster behind the bars, its colorfully mushy skin looked like it was going to slid off at every twitch. "So are you prepared to fight me?" I commonly said to it when the day I was to fight it to the death was getting closer. Sometimes I would almost whisper "I'm not." But I was a barbaric boy, I wanted to kill. But every time I saw the monster, as I visited his cage I wondered if murdering the creature would really be fun like my father had been telling me. As I said the Baci from head to toe was a massive pile of rot. His flesh looked like it was about to peel off by how much it bounced about. His club was almost as bad, and his eyes, his eyes were almost gone. They were nothing more than blackened orbs with small bits of twig sticking out of them as if he had head butted a few trees. It’s a ugly monster that I almost feared and almost felt sorry for.

    staring; always read few times your chapter for errors

    As for the test itself when the day had finally come "Mother, I am fine." I said annoyed as she adjusted my helmet, the sound of loud screeching coming from the chainmail hood I was wearing under it.

    "Makin my son, I have confidence that you will get your license, yet I am just thinking about your challenge after." My mother said. She, I am guessing had doubted I would live from the start against the Ogre. Yet to ever announce it clearly would sound like disowning in my plane, it felt horrible to me at the time when she had come so close to saying she doubted.

    "I will kill the monster and bring honor to myself and family." I said raising my hands, a hand-and-a-half sword in both. The fresh steel looked almost hungry for blood. By the customs of my plane, laws were rare, and if they did exist they existed for more than just the land someone was in. The law of the 'license to kill' has existed for a long time, some say it was inspired when our race of humans were close to extinction from sending four year olds off to war. As I said, my planes people are barbarians, so hungry with war and honor that my ancestors actually killed the man who thought up guns simply because it would mean shorter and less bloody fights. I sometimes fear what would have happened if they would have accepted the idea of bombs.

    The license is earned through a fight against an instructor to prove your able to fight competently and live. A 'Gizen' or 'death healer', a warrior who developed means of healing bodies that are 'beyond death' as legend says, they can even bring themselves back if legend is true. The Gizen I was to face was almost in his sixties, an oddity in my plane, and to meet a warrior that has lived so long is considered a high honor. His left eye was missing and the flesh on his exposed arms seemed almost as loose as the Ogre's might have been, I think during his lecture I spend more time staring at the waving flesh of his arm as he pointed and waved his hands at me.

    "Our ‘family’, this town lives on honor as you have been told." The Gizen said. "You are finally reaching an age where our ‘family’ will recognize your goals and power. As to if you bring honor to us, will start with your first kill. I understand your mom captured an Ogre. It will be an honorable attempt whether you live or die. A bit more interesting then the choices most kids make."

    "What is my test?" I asked pointing one of my swords at him, a challenge to start in my plane.

    "Your test? To wound me, before I knock you out." The Gizen said smiling. "Your father requested that the license for you be a challenge. He said you were a true man, and killing an Ogre would be nothing to you, so I must test you well.” Despite what I said before, our plane may be barbaric but our technology is in some ways more efficient then the plane of Cycles, which is your own is. So the fact that he pulled a broad sword off his back that unfolded itself out of a small cube really is not a surprise.

    ??? Confused XD

    "Then I will give him thanks in battle." I said, charging the Gizen. One of my swords clashed with the broad sword as I swung both at him, the second blade tapping the side of his sword before hitting the ground with a rude clang. The Gizen and I stood in place, trading feints, thrusts and parries with lightning speed, almost impossible to follow as it went faster and faster. I am still amazed at the man as he reacted to each swing with that massive blade as if he was fighting with a dagger.

    1- at him; The Gizen,The Gizen, The Gizen (my head hurts) 2-One sword of mine clashed with his 3- I think it you should put tapped, it sounds very better.

    "Good, good you have been practicing." The Gizen said, pivoting forward with the blade against my two crossed blades, the weight shoving me back. "Treat the swords as if they are complementing each other." He said, as I pulled out of the of the guard and rolled over the attack, the sword in my left hand flying into a wall far left of me when the Gizen elbowed me in the face on my role.

    Again >: (

    "I know." I said, throwing a feint at his gut only to roll under him as he attempted to impale me. I has to duck as he threw his own sword at me, the blade cutting the metal floor in front of me like butter, forcing me to move to the side as another sword flew by, cutting my cheek, my jaw almost knocked out of place as the heavy handle bashed me in the back of the head then almost hooked on my jaw.

    I think this isn't necessary (maybe I'm wrong).

    "Do not worry about losing a weapon unless you have no more left." The Gizen said pulling anther cube, another broad sword out of his pocket. Again we went into the movements, a thrust thrown at his side, parries and countered with an overhead swipe, the movements of our blades leaving the air around us howling, my own blood flying around the fight as the heart started pumping harder. Then something happened I did not expect, he kicked me back. I went flying back into the wall, my sword stuck a few feet above my head on the wall I had been trying to reach a few moments before. "You were trained well by your mom and dad, but it seems you're a bit surprised."

    1-I'll forgive you this one. 2-in

    "Cheap move." I muttered pulling myself up wondering if I had enough time to yank my other sword out of the wall.

    "Nothing is cheap in battle, honor is only to those who live. Remember that boy." The Gizen said throwing his broad sword at me, the blade cleaving through the wall that I had been resting on a second ago. I rolled into him as he was unarmed, I thrust at his gut, he parried by my attack only by an inch, his foot slamming into my face. Another cube was pulled out of his pocket quickly unfolding into a sword before I could reach him, the broad sword simply swung down on me.

    ahdshkahdhshfgdldjflsjfljijrijnvnvbjbzjbd >: (

    "Crap." I threw my sword at him while rolling out of the way not expecting a hit. The sword, my sword, past his guard and slipping cleanly into his bicep, the muscle splashing blood out over his shirt and the sword.

    "Ow..." He muttered, letting go of his weapon to look at my own which had stuck itself cleanly in his bicep, the tip just poking out of the other side. "You win and I need a hospital." That kind of wound was nothing to our people. A flesh wound that can be healed with our technology in a hour, and fully recovered in three days. With this I planned to fight a monster, something that in the past I could only beat with a entire tribe helping me, and even then we could never kill them, a adult appearing just in time to kill it before one of us died to the monsters. I was eager, I was hungry after my first real fight with a sword, I was so scared.
    ", I need medical care." (how Rockon haven't seen this o.O )
    I've read the story and it was quite exciting keep up with this good plot
    As for the grammar, I've read it again and bolded things that I personally think are wrong (underlined my propositions).

    You improved a bit than the first time, continue working with it and don't you ever repeat The Gazen again or I'll murder you
    I am not sure what to say other then thank you, and now I feel like looking over my wording again, to look for things that would be unreadable. I will not give up, and plan to use this work to improve, even if the story turns out to be a dud.
    1- that's the spirit 2-I hate you XD

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    I added a paragraph (to explain tribes/bands) and edited as you all pointed to (I had to ignore some parts either because they seemed awkward to throw in as what I already have, or is really not something you would hear from someone who is actually translating things like he is.) I do not have time right now to look into edits myself but will today after I get home (I am at collage.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Rockonman View Post
    Make sure to watch your grammar, as usual.

    The biggest thing in this section is run-on sentences. They aren't as bad as they could be, but they could stand some improvement. I've listed the biggest ones here:



    This could have been better stated as:



    to


    On grammar, be careful that you're talking about events that happened in the past. Watch your tenses carefully, be sure not to add any extra words that aren't needed in the sentence to get your point across.

    Edit: What you have here is good, your ideas are all coherent and all there. You've improved a lot in between your first and second sections. They're great, you just need to fix the things that we've mentioned.
    Taken them, may edit a bit later, it somewhat feels like a new level of awkward was added, but I might just be imagining it.

    I tried to keep in past tense, but it can be a little hard sense I am doing some time jumping for this explanation of his childhood.

    I hope to improve and thank you, I hope it does not sound greedy to hope for more help as time goes by.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zola View Post
    I've read the story and it was quite exciting keep up with this good plot
    As for the grammar, I've read it again and bolded things that I personally think are wrong (underlined my propositions).

    You improved a bit than the first time, continue working with it and don't you ever repeat The Gazen again or I'll murder you
    I am not sure what to say other then thank you, and now I feel like looking over my wording again, to look for things that would be unreadable. I will not give up, and plan to use this work to improve, even if the story turns out to be a dud.
    1- that's the spirit 2-I hate you XD
    Thank you.

    Accepted what I thought worked, but yes, am confused why "the" would not be needed where you suggested.

    But I thought Gazen was a awesome made up word.

    As for the tribe/band thing I added a paragraph to explain it a bit, and I am not sure how to phrase the names other then:

    Birthname- A name your parents gave you at birth, and treated as a middle name, normally its what name one would give to a stranger or distant friend.

    Speach Name/colate- A name you give yourself, its the first word you say, and the name you would give to a close friend, relative, or the name you give someone who you considered a honorable enemy before you kill them.

    There is no last name or name relating to direct birth since they tend to treat villages or towns as whole familys, if you want to know where someone "belongs" you ask them what their town is. Citys are a bit different in that rather then treat the town as a family, they have special organizations that they treat as family's. Unlike the family's of our reality for example, you can actually choose to leave a family entirely, moving away is treated the same way as if someone was banished or disowned. Also yes, they try to avoid incest, most unions are organized with different towns. Some rather then wait for the process of love and like and all that actually use "breeding contracts" in order to increase their own population if its low and will organize arena fights to the death if the population is becoming to high.
    Last edited by Zolen; January 11th, 2012 at 03:48 PM.
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