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Paperback Writer
September 12th, 2008, 02:33 PM
(This wasn't meant and/or intentionally to be offensive but as a little puzzle-solver for the Athiests around here. Give it a try. It'll be fun.)

Atheists are de facto Materialists. Materialism is a necessary consequence of denying the supernatural. As Materialists they tend to revere empiricism as a source of truth. And they are convicted of their own possession of the singular truth of the universe, that there is no first cause.

Since Atheists have possession of the truth, they should not be adverse to sharing it here with us. The truth of course would be in the form of material, empirical experimental data, replicated by separate disinterested scientific teams, unfalsified, peer reviewed and published in a major scientific journal. These are criteria frequently cited by Atheists, and should be agreeable to them.

Here is a partial list items requiring empirical proof (See Rules below):

1. Prove there is no God.

2. Prove Materialism is true.

3. Prove Monism is true.

4. Prove abiogenesis actually happened.

5. Prove macroevolution actually happened.

6. Prove Parsimony is a Law of Nature.

7. Prove Universal Uniformitarianism exists in all cases.

8. Prove wisdom does not exist.

9. Prove humans are perfectible.

10.Prove universal happiness is a moral imperative.

11.Prove information is identical to the media scaffold upon which it resides.

12.Prove the Multiverse exists.

Rules:
1. Only empirical experimental data, replicated by separate disinterested scientific teams, unfalsified yet falsifiable, peer reviewed and published in a major scientific journal.

2. No generalities or philosophical meanderings will be accepted; only empirical (material) experimental proofs are allowed.

3. Truth by majority vote is not accepted; Truth by deferring to authority is not accepted.

Note: If you can prove #4 (abiogenesis), there is $1,000,000.00 waiting for you here.

Killing_Time
September 12th, 2008, 04:50 PM
...That doesn't make any point as long as no religious man or woman can give proof either.

castlemanic
September 12th, 2008, 05:41 PM
actually we can say God let it be so but it wouldnt be valid proof, and why should it? it doesnt really matter and i can imagine alot of religious arguments going on because of this thread, one religious debate on DQ was enough to turn my leaf over.

XdbX
September 12th, 2008, 06:11 PM
Sorry i really don't see the fun in this. it looks like a bar fight ready to happen.

I ask for a lock. and as of know only me

Victory
September 12th, 2008, 08:58 PM
You're hilarious, Fragger. Why? Because you're a retard.

Here's a "quiz" for all you religious people! Give me concrete evidence supporting the following points -

God exists.
The bible is God's word.
There is a heaven and hell.
Prayers are answered.
Jesus walked on water.
God loves you.

Now go on! Prove it! :)

castlemanic
September 12th, 2008, 09:16 PM
i thought SPP already provided the fact that religious people cant answer fraggers questions either. its all based on beleif, there can be no real evidence of anything related to religious matters, and this is an opinion, the moment someone says they can prove God exists, their either gonna quote texts from religious books or say bullshit that doesnt have to do with anything. so really there is no need for these kinds of questions, unless your trying to be an asshole or prove a point, in which vic is using the latter in the way im thinking of.

Varthonai
September 12th, 2008, 10:05 PM
So much fail in this thread I don't know where to begin.


Materialism is a necessary consequence of denying the supernatural.

No, it's not. Never base your entire argument on one assertion.



...That doesn't make any point as long as no religious man or woman can give proof either.

Yes, it does. Just not the point you're thinking of.



Here's a "quiz" for all you religious people!

Unlikely. A lot of religious people won't be able to answer the questions that deal with Jesus or the Bible. "Religious People" ain't a synonym for "Christian."


Fragger, this is a tired subject and you're not going to change any minds, especially not when you don't know what you're talking about. Atheism has never been about science or empirical proof, it's about natural human hubris and self-sufficiency.

Victory
September 12th, 2008, 10:14 PM
Here's something to take into consideration.

All gods is God. Making all religions branches of the same faith.

Am I the only person that read Conversation with God?

Paperback Writer
September 13th, 2008, 01:18 AM
I wasn't intentionally going to offend people. I thought this was more of a newspaper puzzle.

Well, Vic, you gave me a challenge and I'll research it.

Killing_Time
September 13th, 2008, 09:59 AM
I don't really see it as a newspaper puzzle. Just another way to get people shaking their heads in agony of how retarded smartasses can be. I know it wasn't yours, but it's not neccessary to make such a stir just to provoke a religious debate.

Think before you post.
This thread has lived long enough.